Server Staff

Discussion in 'Server & Community Management' started by Outlaw11A, Apr 8, 2013.

  1. Outlaw11A

    Supporter

    How do you guys go about getting server staff? (admins and moderators)

    I would love some advice on this, as I am struggling to find people that are dedicated and mature enough to handle this role.

    Outlaw11A.
     
  2. CustomForms

    CustomForms Retired Moderator
    Retired Supporter

    Tell them a requirement is to join a vocal client like teamspeak, talk often and converse. Easiest way to get mature players that are over 14. You can always set limits like age, time on the server, posts. Endless possibilities.
     
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  3. joehot200

    Supporter

    I tell them to apply, i then accept applications only that are over 60 lines (not words) long, make them staff, and then demote them if they do badly.

    True, more time = more chance of staff, also a good application is usually done by an older person. 8 year-olds are usually "hi joe, i have applied, can i get staff now? thanks!".
     
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  4. I tend to do a lot myself or with a very select group of people. I find that moderators create more drama than they solve so I also try to design gameplay around not requiring much moderation.
     
  5. A man, or woman, of few words can be just as mature and capable as one of many.

    I'd recommend a public voice server for the community to join and chat through.
    It's honestly the best way to getting to know your players and their forces.
     
  6. I make sure all mods and admins on my server are at least 16+ and always using teamspeak.
     
  7. I use teamspeak a lot and i highly recommend it since you can weed out immatures rather quickly.
     
  8. LiLChris

    LiLChris Retired Moderator
    Retired

    7 months, 200+ players, have yet to find mature people for the job. :(
    I am close to opening up applications and doing it that way, as every time I think I found someone they go and do stupid things that change my mind.

    By the time I get home its 8pm, and I rather not spend the night talking on teamspeak but I see where that is a good option.
     
  9. CCT

    CCT
    Supporter

    Hiring staff for your server is a horrible idea. Staff pose security risks and are really quite a silly idea. If you can run your server completely on your own, you should. Any "good" staff member would be smart enough to run a server themselves.

    Why do people hire staff? Primarily to ban players. Banning players is a feature quite unique to the game of Minecraft and is really quite stupid. By banning hackers, you're losing potential donators and overall lowering the amount of people on your server. Contrary to popular belief, "hackers" actually don't affect your server very much. I would recommend installing a NoCheat plugin and not giving it a second thought. Banning hackers is probably more destructive to your server than the hackers themselves and its quite immature to sit around banning people all day over the utilization of modified clients in a block video game.
     
  10. joehot200

    Supporter

    I made it so staff can ban eachother. Then they can just ban the abusers. I always have at least 5 staff online at a time. Hackers need to be banned, if i lose 1 member, otherwise i almost always lose 3 members to dying and losing their stuff, also, who is gonna build? at the moment i get loads of server buildings being made.

    Tell 'em to apply. then only accept the applications like 100 lines long ;)

    Servers DO need staff. They cause trouble, but they cause less trouble than they are worth.
     
  11. CCT

    CCT
    Supporter

    joehot200 You said "hackers need to be banned". Again with the maturity thing here... My question is why? "Hackers" generally mind their own business and I would say that at least 1/4 of MC players hack so it's futile to try banning them.
     
  12. LiLChris

    LiLChris Retired Moderator
    Retired

    The only staff member I have she is living with me so it's not a security risk, though nobody is aware who she is and that she has staff.
    But when she is on I am on, it does help as she watches over 1 server while I am working on others, but while both of us are not online it doesn't have much supervision.
    I really don't like the idea of staff either but I sometimes feel overwhelmed now with the amount of players I have.

    I would only want them to have mute, any hacks/cheats is something I will do on a personal level.
    Often get spammers for other servers and I can't monitor them during the day at work.

    Even if I were to make it 200 lines they will fill it out and then cause chaos.

    I guess when I meant to say when I am going to open applications, is I am going to say I am taking in mods but I am going to cherry pick them from those that never asked me and seemed helpful.
    It's sorta rare on my server as my player base is from PMC and most are under the age of 14.

    So not entirely sure how and if I am going to go through this. I also don't want them pvping at all as most will just scream out "Admin abuse". Read spoiler

    This happened last night as I accidentally did /pfmute on her laptop and everyone saw she did it.
    (I asked pwnfilter dev to make the name show up configurable, which he agreed to)

    I had to make a whole cover story saying I gave donors the wrong perm to hopefully solve it.
    For 2 hours they kept calling her and the entire faction cheaters, which sucks as she plays legit and is at the point she doesn't want to log on now in fear of trouble.

    7 months under cover and now I have this issue on my hand, read next spoiler. :(
    2013.04.07 23:14:32 [IMMORTALS][SuperKlints] say -FOCK- if ur 14 or younger
    2013.04.07 23:14:34 dubdog -> eknighton: yay
    2013.04.07 23:14:40 [911][eknighton] come dub
    2013.04.07 23:14:41 [$][MASTERS][Liamspb] fock
    2013.04.07 23:14:42 [$][MASTERS][Liamspb] fock
    2013.04.07 23:14:42 [IMMORTALS][SuperKlints] fock
    2013.04.07 23:14:44 [Mysticking32] swear that was bull
    2013.04.07 23:14:44 [IMMORTALS][SuperKlints] fock
    2013.04.07 23:14:45 dubdog -> eknighton: i am
    2013.04.07 23:14:45 [IMMORTALS][SuperKlints] fock
    ============This is where the global mute happened==============
    2013.04.07 23:15:06 dubdog -> eknighton: i am
    2013.04.07 23:15:06 [$][GOD][WishxTalent] HOW
    2013.04.07 23:15:06 theslam3 -> koolmoney361: why?
    2013.04.07 23:15:07 [$][TIMELORDS][ianoburke] wow
    2013.04.07 23:15:08 [$][MASTERS][koolmoney361] wat
    2013.04.07 23:15:08 [$][GOD][WishxTalent] HWO
    2013.04.07 23:15:08 [MANLYMEN][Joebaka13] y...
    2013.04.07 23:15:10 alexndavid -> ianoburke: WOW
    2013.04.07 23:15:11 [$][TIMELORDS][ianoburke] hackers
    2013.04.07 23:15:11 dubdog -> eknighton: ek im here
    2013.04.07 23:15:11 [$][MASTERS][Liamspb] ?
    2013.04.07 23:15:13 [$][TIMELORDS][ianoburke] hackers
    2013.04.07 23:15:13 [$][MASTERS][koolmoney361] u admin
    2013.04.07 23:15:14 [PEZARMY][cupcakesmiles] what>
    2013.04.07 23:15:14 [$][TIMELORDS][ianoburke] hackers
    2013.04.07 23:15:14 [LightRedde] lol
    2013.04.07 23:15:15 WishxTalent NetherBean is lilchris!
    2013.04.07 23:15:16 [$][TIMELORDS][ianoburke] hackers
    2013.04.07 23:15:18 [911][eknighton] gimme sword
    2013.04.07 23:15:20 WishxTalent NetherBean is lilchris!
    2013.04.07 23:15:20 WishxTalent NetherBean is lilchris!
    2013.04.07 23:15:22 [IMMORTALS][SuperKlints] how u do that netherbean?
    2013.04.07 23:15:22 [911][eknighton] i gotn him
    2013.04.07 23:15:25 dubdog -> eknighton: lol
    2013.04.07 23:15:26 [$][CABINWOODS][alexndavid] hackers
    2013.04.07 23:15:28 [KINGDOM][jhcoon13] hacker
    2013.04.07 23:15:28 [911][eknighton] sword
    2013.04.07 23:15:28 [$][MASTERS][koolmoney361] u admin
    2013.04.07 23:15:28 ianoburke nietherbeen is lilchris
    2013.04.07 23:15:29 [$][MASTERS][koolmoney361] u admin
    2013.04.07 23:15:29 WishxTalent NetherBean is lilchris!
    2013.04.07 23:15:29 [$][MASTERS][Liamspb] since when is netherbean andmin
    2013.04.07 23:15:29 ianoburke nietherbeen is lilchris
    2013.04.07 23:15:30 ianoburke nietherbeen is lilchris
    2013.04.07 23:15:30 WishxTalent NetherBean is lilchris!
    2013.04.07 23:15:31 [911][eknighton] g
    2013.04.07 23:15:31 [MANLYMEN][Joebaka13] wtc NetherBean
    2013.04.07 23:15:31 ianoburke nietherbeen is lilchris
    2013.04.07 23:15:33 [KINGDOM][jhcoon13] admin abuse
    2013.04.07 23:15:34 ianoburke nietherbeen is lilchris
    2013.04.07 23:15:35 [KINGDOM][jhcoon13] admin abuset
    2013.04.07 23:15:35 WishxTalent NetherBean is lilchris!
    2013.04.07 23:15:36 [Mysticking32] pfcls
    2013.04.07 23:15:37 [DIVINEARMY][greencreeper101] abus
    2013.04.07 23:15:38 [DIVINEARMY][greencreeper101] abusw
    2013.04.07 23:15:40 WishxTalent NetherBean is lilchris!
    2013.04.07 23:15:40 [DIVINEARMY][greencreeper101] abuse
    2013.04.07 23:15:40 [$][CABINWOODS][alexndavid] hacker kacker
    2013.04.07 23:15:40 [DIVINEARMY][greencreeper101] abuse
    2013.04.07 23:15:41 [MANLYMEN][Joebaka13] ikr?
    2013.04.07 23:15:41 [DIVINEARMY][greencreeper101] abuse
    2013.04.07 23:15:42 dubdog -> eknighton: yay
    2013.04.07 23:15:42 [DIVINEARMY][greencreeper101] abuse
    2013.04.07 23:15:43 [DIVINEARMY][greencreeper101] abuse
    2013.04.07 23:15:43 [911][eknighton] hold him off
    2013.04.07 23:15:48 [MANLYMEN][Joebaka13] Did he mute everyone?
    2013.04.07 23:15:48 [PEZARMY][cupcakesmiles] dang... chill out,,,
    2013.04.07 23:15:50 WishxTalent NetherBean is lilchris!
    2013.04.07 23:15:50 ianoburke ses this is admin abuse
    2013.04.07 23:15:50 [KINGDOM][jhcoon13] banned
    2013.04.07 23:15:50 theslam3 -> koolmoney361: can i join your fac i asked Liamspb and he said to ask you?
    2013.04.07 23:15:51 [DIVINEARMY][greencreeper101] admin abuse
    2013.04.07 23:15:51 WishxTalent NetherBean is lilchris!
    2013.04.07 23:15:51 [KINGDOM][jhcoon13] bannedt
    2013.04.07 23:15:52 [KINGDOM][jhcoon13] bannedt
    2013.04.07 23:15:52 ianoburke ses this is admin abuse
    2013.04.07 23:15:56 WishxTalent NetherBean is lilchris!
    2013.04.07 23:15:58 [$][MASTERS][Liamspb] no netherbean is not
    2013.04.07 23:16:05 [$][MASTERS][koolmoney361] u admin
    2013.04.07 23:16:05 WishxTalent NetherBean is lilchris!
    2013.04.07 23:16:05 [$][MASTERS][Liamspb] really
    2013.04.07 23:16:06 [IMMORTALS][SuperKlints] NetherBean is LILchris!!!
    2013.04.07 23:16:10 [IMMORTALS][SuperKlints] NetherBean is LILchris!!!
    2013.04.07 23:16:11 ianoburke ses this is admin abuse
    2013.04.07 23:16:12 [Mysticking32] omg
    2013.04.07 23:16:13 [Mysticking32] chris
    2013.04.07 23:16:18 [Mysticking32] make it stop
    2013.04.07 23:16:21 [KINGDOM][jhcoon13] NetherBean how could u
    2013.04.07 23:16:22 [IMMORTALS][SuperKlints] NetherBean is LILchris!!!
    2013.04.07 23:16:23 [KINGDOM][jhcoon13] NetherBean how could ut
    2013.04.07 23:16:23 [IMMORTALS][SuperKlints] NetherBean is LILchris!!!
    2013.04.07 23:16:26 [MANLYMEN][Joebaka13] did he mute everyone?
    2013.04.07 23:16:32 WishxTalent NetherBean is lilchris!
    2013.04.07 23:16:32 WishxTalent NetherBean is lilchris!
    2013.04.07 23:16:37 ianoburke ses this is admin abuse on king!
    2013.04.07 23:16:38 jaybird9797 -> theslam3: can i have eggs
    2013.04.07 23:16:39 [$][MASTERS][Liamspb] netherbean is an imposter
    2013.04.07 23:16:41 dubdog -> eknighton: hahaha
    2013.04.07 23:16:41 [$][MASTERS][koolmoney361] wat u Mysticking32 NetherBean r admins
    2013.04.07 23:16:42 jaybird9797 -> theslam3: plz
    2013.04.07 23:16:45 [IMMORTALS][SuperKlints] NetherBean is LILchris!!!
    2013.04.07 23:16:46 [IMMORTALS][SuperKlints] NetherBean is LILchris!!!
    2013.04.07 23:16:47 theslam3 -> jaybird9797: no why
    2013.04.07 23:16:47 [911][eknighton] gimme pots
    2013.04.07 23:16:48 [$][MASTERS][koolmoney361] wa
    2013.04.07 23:16:49 [911][eknighton] and weps
    2013.04.07 23:16:51 [IMMORTALS][SuperKlints] NetherBean is LILchris!!! !!!
    2013.04.07 23:16:51 ianoburke ses this is admin abuse on king!
    2013.04.07 23:16:52 ianoburke ses this is admin abuse on king!
    2013.04.07 23:16:55 theslam3 -> koolmoney361: can i join your fac i asked Liamspb and he said to ask you?
    2013.04.07 23:16:55 ianoburke ses this is admin abuse on king!
    2013.04.07 23:16:56 [KINGDOM][jhcoon13] LiLChris06 behind
    2013.04.07 23:16:56 jaybird9797 -> theslam3: i need them
    2013.04.07 23:16:56 [LiLChris] what the?
    2013.04.07 23:16:56 BenDR -> WishxTalent: tyvm
    2013.04.07 23:16:57 [$][MASTERS][Liamspb] not fair
    2013.04.07 23:16:57 WishxTalent NetherBean is lilchris!
    2013.04.07 23:16:59 [911][eknighton] wep
    2013.04.07 23:16:59 [LiLChris] what the?
    2013.04.07 23:17:00 WishxTalent NetherBean is lilchris!
    2013.04.07 23:17:01 [Mysticking32] she used global mute
    2013.04.07 23:17:03 [$][TIMELORDS][ianoburke] WOW
    2013.04.07 23:17:05 [Mysticking32] and it said her name
    2013.04.07 23:17:05 [$][MASTERS][koolmoney361] wat u Mysticking32 NetherBean r admins
    2013.04.07 23:17:06 [LiLChris] that was me
    2013.04.07 23:17:07 [$][MASTERS][Liamspb] ?
    2013.04.07 23:17:08 [$][GOD][WishxTalent] LiLChris she muted chat!
    2013.04.07 23:17:08 [$][TIMELORDS][ianoburke] lilchris im reporting u!
    2013.04.07 23:17:09 [$][GOD][WishxTalent] LiLChris she muted chat!
    2013.04.07 23:17:10 [$][TIMELORDS][ianoburke] lilchris im reporting u!
    2013.04.07 23:17:11 [$][TIMELORDS][ianoburke] lilchris im reporting u!
    2013.04.07 23:17:12 [$][TIMELORDS][ianoburke] lilchris im reporting u!
    2013.04.07 23:17:13 spicyhotpants wtf
    2013.04.07 23:17:14 [$][MASTERS][Liamspb] im so cunfused
    2013.04.07 23:17:14 WishxTalent NetherBean is lilchris!
    2013.04.07 23:17:15 [$][MASTERS][koolmoney361] wat u Mysticking32 NetherBean r admins
     
  13. joehot200

    Supporter

    Many players try and hack. i am fine with people using nodus, but basically i dont want people having unfair advantages. I have seen about 67 members with NOCHEAT BYPASS HACKS! They were using forcefield, travelling quite a bit faster than normal, and to some degree, flying (and i have fall damage disabled), this was simply unfair, guy comes out of safezone, swings sword 2x normal speed, kills member, and is back in the safezone in less than 4 seconds. That is the sort of guys who make people leave, out of theese (i let my staff ban them, i usually ignore such hacks myself) about 42 of them were discovered by my staff and banned. Meanwhile the staff took the stolen stuff from the hacker's inventory, and hence re-credited the killed person with their stuff.

    Bascally, i cannot monitor everything alone.

    ouch.


    Oh, and as a last thing, i say, if a staff is bad, i simply demote them with no chance of re-promotion. If they argue, both arguing staff become banned, etc.
     

  14. Its not that they can bypass it persay, its that the hack client doesnt try and make malicous actions to hide itself. Also nocheat isnt as good as it should be. If it would determine previous facing and later to determine if the player is using forcefield then it could detect it, however then the hacked client would just update to smoothly transition to aim at the other players instead of instantly facing them. Honestly the only thing you can stop is spamming,flying,speed hacks, etc. If its something that regular players can do then it is difficult to manage.
     
  15. joehot200

    Supporter

    flatbmx yes, thats pretty much what i mean, but its kinda hacks that still work despite nocheat installed.
     
  16. PhanaticD

    Patron

    you get good staff by seeing how people act in the community and getting to know them. I have 28 staff members and I trust all of them and will be hiring two more soon

    you can run a server by yourself only so long
     
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  17. joehot200

    Supporter

    I agree with that, i have 7 admins, and about 47 staff last thing i checked. The admins usually do a great job in getting the staff to all work together on projects. Apart from that, i would say about 10 of those staff members are what i would call "noobs", and probably deserve a demotion, but then, as im switching the mc server to the other host in less than 7 hours, i figured i would do things then.
     
  18. For what reason do you need that much staff? I have 2 admins and 3 moderators and we all get the job done quite fine. Honestly, the more you risk revolt or players thinking they deserve staff since many others do as well.
     
  19. PhanaticD

    Patron

    because I have three servers with hundreds of players, modreq tickets can pile up fast if no one is on all day, and everyone has their own lives

    half of them are Game world mods, all they have to do is run the minigames on the minigame server
     
  20. ahh, makes sense now, i run a VERY small server, on average 10 people at peaks maybe 30 so i need nearly no staff.